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Our little community has been inactive for some years, but I had planned to post for Easter this year. I was in the middle of composing my post when politics intruded in the form of new terms of service on LiveJournal. The moderators felt that the new ToS, in particular the requirement to adhere to Russian law and its censorship of much political commentary, was not compatible with the mission of this community. This applies most obviously to our pro-LGBT stance, but there are other ramifications.

The posts and comments from the LiveJournal version of the comm have been imported to the Dreamwidth version, and the LiveJournal comm has now been deleted. If you wish to manage your imported posts or comments but don't have a Dreamwidth account, there are instructions for using the OpenID system with your LiveJournal account: http://www.dreamwidth.org/support/faqbrowse?faqid=123
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[personal profile] julesjones
This community was originally set up on both LiveJournal and Dreamwidth, but posts and comments on the two are not identical because it wasn't possible to mirror communities exactly. In light of recent changes to the LiveJournal TOS, the moderators feel that it would be prudent to import the Livejournal version to the Dreamwidth version.

We understand that some of you may feel uncomfortable with your posts or comments being visible on one or another site, but might not have access on that site to amend them. If so, the moderators can delete your posts and comments or set your  posts to private for you. If you posted or commented with your site ID on one site, you should have an OpenID which will allow you to modify your comments on the other site, but this doesn't always work, and some people did not comment with a site ID.

This community was founded for Pentecost 2010. Today is Palm Sunday in both the Western and Eastern Church. It seems a fitting day to close comments on LiveJournal and reconvene elsewhere. Both sites have an RSS feed to the other site; for those on LiveJournal, please follow our feed from Dreamwidth at http://bearingwitness.livejournal.com/

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
-- Matthew 22:39-40 King James Version (KJV)
julesjones: I believe in safe, sane, and consensual Christianity. by Zeborah@DW - gankable (Christianity)
[personal profile] julesjones
This community was originally set up on both LiveJournal and Dreamwidth, but posts and comments on the two are not identical because it wasn't possible to mirror communities exactly. In light of recent changes to the LiveJournal TOS, the moderators feel that it would be prudent to import the Livejournal version to the Dreamwidth version.

We understand that some of you may feel uncomfortable with your posts or comments being visible on one or another site, but might not have access on that site to amend them. If so, the moderators can delete your posts and comments or set your  posts to private for you. If you posted or commented with your site ID on one site, you should have an OpenID which will allow you to modify your comments on the other site, but this doesn't always work, and some people did not comment with a site ID.

This community was founded for Pentecost 2010. Today is Palm Sunday in both the Western and Eastern Church. It seems a fitting day to close comments on LiveJournal and reconvene elsewhere. Both sites have an RSS feed to the other site; for those on LiveJournal, please follow our feed from Dreamwidth at http://bearingwitness.livejournal.com/

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
-- Matthew 22:39-40 King James Version (KJV)
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"The Generous Mr. Lovewell" by MercyMe is a great album. It makes me want to write fic about The Generous Mr. Lovewell, who performs random acts of kindness and then vanishes as mysteriously as he appears, leaving people saying "Who was that man with the bowler hat and the balloon?"

Only I'm now wondering if he has an evil twin, The Dutiful Mr. Meantwell.
Read more... )
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The Slactivist is compiling lists of:In each case there are more in comments and he's actively soliciting for more.
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Not everyone in Australia agrees with the G-dawful laws that just got pushed through.

Why the Houston Report on asylum seekers is Un-Christian
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[personal profile] zeborah
Have signed, and am passing on the link to, Christians: Affirm that same-sex relationships are not inherently immoral

The petition says:
I am a Christian who affirms that there is nothing inherently immoral about same-sex relationships.

It's time to end the Christian condemnation of LGBTQ people, which is in direct contradiction to everything for which Jesus Christ stands. Being in a same-sex relationship is not, in and of itself, an offense against God. The fact that a person lives in a same-sex relationship is therefore no reason to exclude that person from full participation in all facets of Christian life, including getting married.


I noted:
As Peter heard in his vision nearly two millennia ago, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
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Have signed, and am passing on the link to, Christians: Affirm that same-sex relationships are not inherently immoral

The petition says:
I am a Christian who affirms that there is nothing inherently immoral about same-sex relationships.

It's time to end the Christian condemnation of LGBTQ people, which is in direct contradiction to everything for which Jesus Christ stands. Being in a same-sex relationship is not, in and of itself, an offense against God. The fact that a person lives in a same-sex relationship is therefore no reason to exclude that person from full participation in all facets of Christian life, including getting married.


I noted:
As Peter heard in his vision nearly two millennia ago, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
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I just read at the community rec-o-matic a comment that:

It's been good and challenging for my assumptions to read someone who identifies as an evangelical Christian while also being deeply committed to social justice (and Buffy jokes).


How can those of us who'd also describe ourselves as Christians committed to social justice make this clearer in our blogging?
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St Matthews in the City is the church I want to be when I grow up. :-)

Auckland church erects "gay-dar" billboard
"Auckland's St Matthews-in-the-city has taken to its infamously bold billboard once more in the hope of stirring up debate on the issue of discrimination against gay and lesbian people in the Anglican Church."

The link in this article is broken but you can sign the petition to the Anglican bishops of New Zealand here.
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[personal profile] zeborah
St Matthews in the City is the church I want to be when I grow up. :-)

Auckland church erects "gay-dar" billboard
"Auckland's St Matthews-in-the-city has taken to its infamously bold billboard once more in the hope of stirring up debate on the issue of discrimination against gay and lesbian people in the Anglican Church."

The link in this article is broken but you can sign the petition to the Anglican bishops of New Zealand here.
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[personal profile] julesjones
I have dismally failed to write a post for this year's Pentecost. In lieu of a post from me, have a link to a blogpost I picked up via a tweet from Paul Cornell -- Victoria Coren on the current UK media frenzy beating up the Archbishop of Canterbury for daring to have an opinion in public about whether UK society has a duty to help the poor:

http://www.victoriacoren.com/main/blog/archive/bashing_the_bishop

I have a lot of time for Rowan Williams. I don't always agree with him, but I think he is doing his utmost to hold the Anglican church together while still keeping it a church for all, and as Coren suggests, demanding that as leader of the church he publicly support conservative views on keeping out the queers while simultaneously expecting him to keep his mouth shut about feeding the hungry is just a little hypocritical.
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[personal profile] julesjones
I have dismally failed to write a post for this year's Pentecost. In lieu of a post from me, have a link to a blogpost I picked up via a tweet from Paul Cornell -- Victoria Coren on the current UK media frenzy beating up the Archbishop of Canterbury for daring to have an opinion in public about whether UK society has a duty to help the poor:

http://www.victoriacoren.com/main/blog/archive/bashing_the_bishop

I have a lot of time for Rowan Williams. I don't always agree with him, but I think he is doing his utmost to hold the Anglican church together while still keeping it a church for all, and as Coren suggests, demanding that as leader of the church he publicly support conservative views on keeping out the queers while simultaneously expecting him to keep his mouth shut about feeding the hungry is just a little hypocritical.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
--John 1:1


And then along came King James VI&I wanting a new English translation of the Word. He set up a committee to do something about it, as one does. And 400 years ago today the fruit of their efforts was published. And yea, it was good. It was so good that it proved that you really can make great art by committee.

It wasn't the best translation, even then, if all you are concerned about is accuracy of translation. There are much better modern translations if what you're after is faithfulness to the original texts. But the joy and the power of the Authorized Version is that it was created to be read aloud, with pleasure in the listening. The committee created a work of literature, one of the greatest works of literature in the English language. The language has changed in the last 400 years, and there are updated versions of the Authorized version. But the committee's choice of words to express the Word lives on still; not merely because it was the book of the dominant religion of the language, but because that committee knew how to write, and write well.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
--John 1:1


And then along came King James VI&I wanting a new English translation of the Word. He set up a committee to do something about it, as one does. And 400 years ago today the fruit of their efforts was published. And yea, it was good. It was so good that it proved that you really can make great art by committee.

It wasn't the best translation, even then, if all you are concerned about is accuracy of translation. There are much better modern translations if what you're after is faithfulness to the original texts. But the joy and the power of the Authorized Version is that it was created to be read aloud, with pleasure in the listening. The committee created a work of literature, one of the greatest works of literature in the English language. The language has changed in the last 400 years, and there are updated versions of the Authorized version. But the committee's choice of words to express the Word lives on still; not merely because it was the book of the dominant religion of the language, but because that committee knew how to write, and write well.
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...for both Western and Eastern churches, which isn't always the case. :-) A happy chocolate coma to you all. Should you feel like a little light reading, I have some suggestions.

The first one is something from Christmas, which I forgot to link to at the time -- Doctor Who writer Paul Cornell talks about his experiences with the numinous.

Going back a few posts in Cornell's blog, The Vicar FAQ might also be of some interest -- he interviewed his wife on the process she's going through of becoming an Anglican priest. It is full of the sort of neepery that appeals to fannish types.

Ask an atheist, a recent thread on the blog Making Light. It starts as a fairly light-hearted reaction (by the atheist amongst the four ML bloggers) to National Ask An Atheist Day, but turns into a thoughtful discussion between atheists, agnostic and believers of several different religions (not all of them Abrahamic).

And this is what ate my Good Friday, courtesy of a link in the Making Light thread -- the webcomic "Digger". There is not a single mention of the Abrahamic religions in it. However, there's a lot of thoughtful exploration of ethics and morality, and the author's background in anthropology shows, in a good rather than bad way. I got dropped into it via link very early in the archive, where the heroine (a wombat mining engineer by the name of Digger) has just dug her way to the surface after an encounter with some toxic gas, and finds herself in a temple with a statue of the Hindu god Ganesh. A statue that is an avatar of the god, and is still talking to her even after she's had a few lungfuls of clean air and is therefore not hallucinating. I found it interesting enough to backtrack to the beginning, and got sucked in.
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...for both Western and Eastern churches, which isn't always the case. :-) A happy chocolate coma to you all. Should you feel like a little light reading, I have some suggestions.

The first one is something from Christmas, which I forgot to link to at the time -- Doctor Who writer Paul Cornell talks about his experiences with the numinous.

Going back a few posts in Cornell's blog, The Vicar FAQ might also be of some interest -- he interviewed his wife on the process she's going through of becoming an Anglican priest. It is full of the sort of neepery that appeals to fannish types.

Ask an atheist, a recent thread on the blog Making Light. It starts as a fairly light-hearted reaction (by the atheist amongst the four ML bloggers) to National Ask An Atheist Day, but turns into a thoughtful discussion between atheists, agnostic and believers of several different religions (not all of them Abrahamic).

And this is what ate my Good Friday, courtesy of a link in the Making Light thread -- the webcomic "Digger". There is not a single mention of the Abrahamic religions in it. However, there's a lot of thoughtful exploration of ethics and morality, and the author's background in anthropology shows, in a good rather than bad way. I got dropped into it via link very early in the archive, where the heroine (a wombat mining engineer by the name of Digger) has just dug her way to the surface after an encounter with some toxic gas, and finds herself in a temple with a statue of the Hindu god Ganesh. A statue that is an avatar of the god, and is still talking to her even after she's had a few lungfuls of clean air and is therefore not hallucinating. I found it interesting enough to backtrack to the beginning, and got sucked in.
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I just stumbled across a fascinating series of articles about Groupthink, particularly in the context of Christian Fundamentalism:
The Danger of Groupthink Part 1: Consensus and Power
The Danger of Groupthink Part 2: Unanimity and Paranoia
Groupthink Part 3: A Dangerous Sense of Invulnerability
Groupthink Part 4: Overestimating the Group's High Moral Stance

I think it clarifies a bit more why groups which start off with good intentions could end up "preaching hate".

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